Michael Thompson PhD once came to the private school in which I taught and said, it is fine to trust your children with things they are developmentally ready for, and not those they are not. So, where is Ezra on life's scale of development to understand age and capabilities? Not where I am, that is for sure. Wisdom is smartness plus expe…
Michael Thompson PhD once came to the private school in which I taught and said, it is fine to trust your children with things they are developmentally ready for, and not those they are not. So, where is Ezra on life's scale of development to understand age and capabilities? Not where I am, that is for sure. Wisdom is smartness plus experiences. Ezra may have bright commentary on things within his ken, but this is clearly beyond. Also, because Americans are such sheep, they hear age is a problem and they all go bleating, "baa, baa, baa! Age is a problem!" I despise this part of the jumping on the bandwagon nature of the country. I also have to say, the NYT is not having sharp, incisive commentary on the election, they are having the kind of commentary I expect from Fox News, except for the Republicans on staff who are turned off by Trump and can express it. This is the limit of their understanding too. How many journalists had conscious thought before Ronald Reagan was president? If you are not from an alert position at that time, then how would you understand what the USA was like before Reagan, and the horrendous harm he did to our country and planet? You would not. Not if you have not lived elsewhere where government is not vilified like he made it be. The average person was not able to look at his hypocrisy and say, "Wait, if he thinks no government is good government, what is he doing in government?" The answer: he was a puppet of powerful people and self-serving. Is anything different with today's Republican party? Ezra might as well join it as far as I'm concerned. And this is me being not as mean about it as I could be. I have a child who I want to have a future on this planet. People like Ezra get in the way of that.
I think you are way harsh on Klein, even though I agree with everything else you say. He is about 40 years old (Generation Y, Millennial) and thinks he's got a handle on it all--- and with the NYT venue to bolster him. This is the problem I have in general with the NYT. It's not my old NYT anymore in sensibility especially now in the online news and comment era. He needs pushback and hopefully we are. He's just one voice though. I push back. I have more life under my belt.. finally. (I am just pre-boomer.. I hate these group categorizations but they have validity re world experience).
I understand it is considered harsh, but for me it was toned down, because I am furious as well as disappointed in what a crappy, crappy publication the NYT is turning out to be as regards this election. I was even harsher with the NYT editor that wrote to me when I complained about the fact that they are stuck on Biden's age and nothing else. Young Mr. Aiden Gardiner. http://www.aidangardiner.com/about
Given that they are disparaging my mother at 90, and I have several people in my life who are 90+ through her and otherwise. Of course my mom has even more friends who are 90+. Ezra Klein lumps them all into one group. I also am even more furious at the racist and misogynist tone to his complaints, because every president runs with a vice president, who steps in if something happens to them. He is in essence treating Kamala Harris like the invisible woman. He disgusts me like all people who pretend to be "progressive" or "liberal" do when they show a different side, which negates all that. As far as I am concerned Ezra Klein could be on the payroll of the FSB with his talk. What you should be talking about is how mean and offensive Ezra Klein is being, and how he is helping both Trump and the Putin by his speculation. It is not good journalism because he does not know the topic of age from his BUTTHOLE, and allowing this discrimination to go on is not acceptable. I should be picketing his home, but 1) I cannot afford to just fly there, and 2) I don't have the time. I am currently living abroad in a city where at least 50% are 60+. So, in negating Joe Biden's efficacy for no other reason than his age, Ezra Klein insults the 13,000+ US residents who are 80 and above. https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Demographics/Age/Population-aged-80-years#:~:text=Total%20population%20aged%2080%20years%20and%20over&text=In%202020%2C%20population%20aged%2080,average%20annual%20rate%20of%202.43%25.
So, I am not way harsh on him, but his editor should be. I am just being somewhat harsh, and he deserves it.
Should I go on and list the numbers of women offended? Black and Brown people? Instead I have just said he is not up to the task of this job, but he apparently does not know it. That may have devastating effects on outcome of this election. I want my child to have a planet with a future. We owe it to all of our children. Supporting Putin and Trump, both of whom are nuclear trigger happy despots will not do it.
I, too, have had concerns with the NYT, lately. They, along with Wapo, appear to be attempting to be like the video media who rely on ad revenue via TV and the click bait of those media online. Hate sells. So, mimicking and reporting on the absurdities of the right over the accomplishments of the left (particularly under President Biden) probably attracts more viewers/readers and satisfies the investors, best of all.
Well I am happy for you that you can get your anger out this way. I hope you read my other comments on this nearby. I am not far from you in opinion but less in degree of anger and its effectiveness. I am not familiar with Gardiner or what is he saying or the importance of it. ( I have been a lifelong reader of the NYTimes.. many years. I know it's change... and realize it had to).
They are of a younger generation that have not gone through what we have. The world is different. They and their kids will make this world, and are doing so. Rupar! It's almost out of our hands. It's important that we get through to younger people, particularly those in influential positions. I don't think you do with such anger other than get it out of your system to defend those of us that are fortunate enough in body and mind. And then you think you are doing something effective. Are you? Can you? I stick up for older people. I am one. (my mom lived to 103! was politically aware to 90 at least). I know the pluses and minuses of being older every day. I know about people. I think I know about communicating.
I have my problems with Biden and I do not associate that with his age at this point: how bent he is, forgetful. It's more his fearfulness in foreign policy re Ukraine and weakness about distancing from and threatening Israel (which will cost him.) He never was a good campaigner, even when young. When I think of voting for Biden I think that he may not complete another term, and Kamala Harris would be fine. The alternative, Trump, is unimaginable and would be immediately. I don't go to fantasy in my mind about who I would rather.
The younger generation are used to entertainment, have very busy lives ( some shallowly about "getting and spending") and curate where their vital information comes from, some if it does at all, UNTIL they maybe start paying attention to what's in the thicker air around them. That is what Klein is taking part in.. spreading the jitters.
We older folks have the time to think, evaluate, remember and read if we are healthy enough. I think instead of anger, we need to teach, and teach with lovingkindness and respect.
Been teaching my whole life. I think I get through. My own children are not of the ilk of Ezra Klein and do not see older people as disabled, doddering oldies to be put out to pasture. You ignore the sexism and racism. I can not. That may make me angrier than you. Discounting that Biden has Kamala to step in is a big deal, and treating her, a Black women as invisible should anger every woman. Finland, Denmark, Indian, Israel, Liberia, Sri Lanka, Iceland, Argentina, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Namibia, Barbados, CAR, UK, Portugal, Bolivia, Dominika, Norway, Malta, Philippines, Haiti, Lithuania, Nicaragua, France, Poland, Turkey, Canada, Burundi, Rwanda, Liberia, Ecuador, Ireland, Latvia, Panama, New Zealand, Senegal, Ukraine, Germany, Argentina, Moldova, Croatia, Kyrgyzstan, Costa Rica, Trinidad and Tobago, Australia, Slovakia, Brazil, Mali, Kosovo, Thailand, Malawi, South Korea, Slovenia, Transnistria, Latvia, Poland, Croatia, Mauritius, Nepal, Marshall Islands, Myanmar, Estonia, Serbia, Singapore, Romania, Ethiopia, Georgia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Greece, Gabon, Togo, Estonia, Tanzania, Tunisia, Hungary, Sweden, Italy, Peru, Dominica, and more. We have not. It is people like Ezra Klein, who clearly write with a White male reader in mind who contribute to this. You should be offended too.
Some teachers you cannot say anything to... they know it all, into instructing only... i.e what I should be offended by. That. I do not hear that Klein sees older people in the extreme way you describe. He says why he is fearful: because others do. They are repeating what they are hearing and so this is a closed loop that needs breaking. Klein prefers Biden. He is afraid of the election, afraid of Trump prevailing. Klein has the jitters and I don't like that he is spreading them. Lawrence O'Donnell in the link above speaks about this election, the way one should and that should be emphasized.
(PS I believe that Ruth Bader Ginsburg stayed on the bench too long and helped bring us this SCOTUS.)
I do not discount sexism and racism. Where do you get that from me? Read my above I do not. But it's a factor in putting a woman and a black person out there. Reality. I hate sexism and racism.. however angry we are about that... it exists. Biden knew that. Clyburn knew that. Obama learned how much. HIllary Clinton knew that. Biden picked Kamala Harris nevertheless. Ageism is new as we live longer, there are more of us around. We should stick up for the abilities of age as well as acknowledge the infirmities. What do we get; what do we lose?
Kamala is not invisible. She is pretty out there, more now.
I reject the sureness that Klein clearly writes with a white male reader in mind. I have been listening to him on and off and I do not get that impression but notice the flaws that come with the sureness of his position, projecting know it all, all the while seeming to elicit honest opinion. He lures me now and then with an interesting guest. But in the end you know Klein's views, just like any other opinion columnist. ( I prefer Jamelle Bouie)
Neither. His job is to present his and others ( his choice I gather) opinions. I take it he represents his generation somewhat and has appeal ( a sensibility of sorts) and he seems to be liked. He is intelligent and articulate and can influence to a degree. I only listened to a few of his podcasts, these last two in his panic mode about Biden and one on Gaza/Israel which disappointed me. His reasoning, the case he makes, leaves holes. He got a lot of push back about the open convention push . O'Donnell was good, more mature I might add, and so are some others. In general the NYTimes is getting a lot of pushback about their editorials and choices as to what to emphasize in their news.
Michael Thompson PhD once came to the private school in which I taught and said, it is fine to trust your children with things they are developmentally ready for, and not those they are not. So, where is Ezra on life's scale of development to understand age and capabilities? Not where I am, that is for sure. Wisdom is smartness plus experiences. Ezra may have bright commentary on things within his ken, but this is clearly beyond. Also, because Americans are such sheep, they hear age is a problem and they all go bleating, "baa, baa, baa! Age is a problem!" I despise this part of the jumping on the bandwagon nature of the country. I also have to say, the NYT is not having sharp, incisive commentary on the election, they are having the kind of commentary I expect from Fox News, except for the Republicans on staff who are turned off by Trump and can express it. This is the limit of their understanding too. How many journalists had conscious thought before Ronald Reagan was president? If you are not from an alert position at that time, then how would you understand what the USA was like before Reagan, and the horrendous harm he did to our country and planet? You would not. Not if you have not lived elsewhere where government is not vilified like he made it be. The average person was not able to look at his hypocrisy and say, "Wait, if he thinks no government is good government, what is he doing in government?" The answer: he was a puppet of powerful people and self-serving. Is anything different with today's Republican party? Ezra might as well join it as far as I'm concerned. And this is me being not as mean about it as I could be. I have a child who I want to have a future on this planet. People like Ezra get in the way of that.
I think you are way harsh on Klein, even though I agree with everything else you say. He is about 40 years old (Generation Y, Millennial) and thinks he's got a handle on it all--- and with the NYT venue to bolster him. This is the problem I have in general with the NYT. It's not my old NYT anymore in sensibility especially now in the online news and comment era. He needs pushback and hopefully we are. He's just one voice though. I push back. I have more life under my belt.. finally. (I am just pre-boomer.. I hate these group categorizations but they have validity re world experience).
I understand it is considered harsh, but for me it was toned down, because I am furious as well as disappointed in what a crappy, crappy publication the NYT is turning out to be as regards this election. I was even harsher with the NYT editor that wrote to me when I complained about the fact that they are stuck on Biden's age and nothing else. Young Mr. Aiden Gardiner. http://www.aidangardiner.com/about
https://www.nytimes.com/by/ezra-klein
Given that they are disparaging my mother at 90, and I have several people in my life who are 90+ through her and otherwise. Of course my mom has even more friends who are 90+. Ezra Klein lumps them all into one group. I also am even more furious at the racist and misogynist tone to his complaints, because every president runs with a vice president, who steps in if something happens to them. He is in essence treating Kamala Harris like the invisible woman. He disgusts me like all people who pretend to be "progressive" or "liberal" do when they show a different side, which negates all that. As far as I am concerned Ezra Klein could be on the payroll of the FSB with his talk. What you should be talking about is how mean and offensive Ezra Klein is being, and how he is helping both Trump and the Putin by his speculation. It is not good journalism because he does not know the topic of age from his BUTTHOLE, and allowing this discrimination to go on is not acceptable. I should be picketing his home, but 1) I cannot afford to just fly there, and 2) I don't have the time. I am currently living abroad in a city where at least 50% are 60+. So, in negating Joe Biden's efficacy for no other reason than his age, Ezra Klein insults the 13,000+ US residents who are 80 and above. https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Demographics/Age/Population-aged-80-years#:~:text=Total%20population%20aged%2080%20years%20and%20over&text=In%202020%2C%20population%20aged%2080,average%20annual%20rate%20of%202.43%25.
He insults those in Germany who are 80 years and above. https://knoema.com/atlas/Germany/topics/Demographics/Age/Population-aged-80-years#:~:text=Total%20population%20aged%2080%20years%20and%20over&text=In%202020%2C%20population%20aged%2080,average%20annual%20rate%20of%202.72%25.
He insults 1 in 10 Japanese people who are aged 80 and above.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66850943
So, I am not way harsh on him, but his editor should be. I am just being somewhat harsh, and he deserves it.
Should I go on and list the numbers of women offended? Black and Brown people? Instead I have just said he is not up to the task of this job, but he apparently does not know it. That may have devastating effects on outcome of this election. I want my child to have a planet with a future. We owe it to all of our children. Supporting Putin and Trump, both of whom are nuclear trigger happy despots will not do it.
I, too, have had concerns with the NYT, lately. They, along with Wapo, appear to be attempting to be like the video media who rely on ad revenue via TV and the click bait of those media online. Hate sells. So, mimicking and reporting on the absurdities of the right over the accomplishments of the left (particularly under President Biden) probably attracts more viewers/readers and satisfies the investors, best of all.
Well I am happy for you that you can get your anger out this way. I hope you read my other comments on this nearby. I am not far from you in opinion but less in degree of anger and its effectiveness. I am not familiar with Gardiner or what is he saying or the importance of it. ( I have been a lifelong reader of the NYTimes.. many years. I know it's change... and realize it had to).
They are of a younger generation that have not gone through what we have. The world is different. They and their kids will make this world, and are doing so. Rupar! It's almost out of our hands. It's important that we get through to younger people, particularly those in influential positions. I don't think you do with such anger other than get it out of your system to defend those of us that are fortunate enough in body and mind. And then you think you are doing something effective. Are you? Can you? I stick up for older people. I am one. (my mom lived to 103! was politically aware to 90 at least). I know the pluses and minuses of being older every day. I know about people. I think I know about communicating.
I have my problems with Biden and I do not associate that with his age at this point: how bent he is, forgetful. It's more his fearfulness in foreign policy re Ukraine and weakness about distancing from and threatening Israel (which will cost him.) He never was a good campaigner, even when young. When I think of voting for Biden I think that he may not complete another term, and Kamala Harris would be fine. The alternative, Trump, is unimaginable and would be immediately. I don't go to fantasy in my mind about who I would rather.
This was excellent:
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-on-what-they-don-t-tell-you-about-the-dump-biden-fantasy-204684869613
The younger generation are used to entertainment, have very busy lives ( some shallowly about "getting and spending") and curate where their vital information comes from, some if it does at all, UNTIL they maybe start paying attention to what's in the thicker air around them. That is what Klein is taking part in.. spreading the jitters.
We older folks have the time to think, evaluate, remember and read if we are healthy enough. I think instead of anger, we need to teach, and teach with lovingkindness and respect.
Been teaching my whole life. I think I get through. My own children are not of the ilk of Ezra Klein and do not see older people as disabled, doddering oldies to be put out to pasture. You ignore the sexism and racism. I can not. That may make me angrier than you. Discounting that Biden has Kamala to step in is a big deal, and treating her, a Black women as invisible should anger every woman. Finland, Denmark, Indian, Israel, Liberia, Sri Lanka, Iceland, Argentina, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Namibia, Barbados, CAR, UK, Portugal, Bolivia, Dominika, Norway, Malta, Philippines, Haiti, Lithuania, Nicaragua, France, Poland, Turkey, Canada, Burundi, Rwanda, Liberia, Ecuador, Ireland, Latvia, Panama, New Zealand, Senegal, Ukraine, Germany, Argentina, Moldova, Croatia, Kyrgyzstan, Costa Rica, Trinidad and Tobago, Australia, Slovakia, Brazil, Mali, Kosovo, Thailand, Malawi, South Korea, Slovenia, Transnistria, Latvia, Poland, Croatia, Mauritius, Nepal, Marshall Islands, Myanmar, Estonia, Serbia, Singapore, Romania, Ethiopia, Georgia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Greece, Gabon, Togo, Estonia, Tanzania, Tunisia, Hungary, Sweden, Italy, Peru, Dominica, and more. We have not. It is people like Ezra Klein, who clearly write with a White male reader in mind who contribute to this. You should be offended too.
Some teachers you cannot say anything to... they know it all, into instructing only... i.e what I should be offended by. That. I do not hear that Klein sees older people in the extreme way you describe. He says why he is fearful: because others do. They are repeating what they are hearing and so this is a closed loop that needs breaking. Klein prefers Biden. He is afraid of the election, afraid of Trump prevailing. Klein has the jitters and I don't like that he is spreading them. Lawrence O'Donnell in the link above speaks about this election, the way one should and that should be emphasized.
(PS I believe that Ruth Bader Ginsburg stayed on the bench too long and helped bring us this SCOTUS.)
I do not discount sexism and racism. Where do you get that from me? Read my above I do not. But it's a factor in putting a woman and a black person out there. Reality. I hate sexism and racism.. however angry we are about that... it exists. Biden knew that. Clyburn knew that. Obama learned how much. HIllary Clinton knew that. Biden picked Kamala Harris nevertheless. Ageism is new as we live longer, there are more of us around. We should stick up for the abilities of age as well as acknowledge the infirmities. What do we get; what do we lose?
Kamala is not invisible. She is pretty out there, more now.
I reject the sureness that Klein clearly writes with a white male reader in mind. I have been listening to him on and off and I do not get that impression but notice the flaws that come with the sureness of his position, projecting know it all, all the while seeming to elicit honest opinion. He lures me now and then with an interesting guest. But in the end you know Klein's views, just like any other opinion columnist. ( I prefer Jamelle Bouie)
Is it his job to repeat people's fears, or to dispel them?
Neither. His job is to present his and others ( his choice I gather) opinions. I take it he represents his generation somewhat and has appeal ( a sensibility of sorts) and he seems to be liked. He is intelligent and articulate and can influence to a degree. I only listened to a few of his podcasts, these last two in his panic mode about Biden and one on Gaza/Israel which disappointed me. His reasoning, the case he makes, leaves holes. He got a lot of push back about the open convention push . O'Donnell was good, more mature I might add, and so are some others. In general the NYTimes is getting a lot of pushback about their editorials and choices as to what to emphasize in their news.